maniakes ([info]maniakes) wrote,
@ 2008-04-23 14:29:00
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Trivia contest
There is one specific type of rock which humans eat on a regular basis. Is this rock classified as igneous, sedimentary, or metamorphic?


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[info]sailorrogue
2008-04-23 09:45 pm UTC (link)
I'll go with sedimentary.

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-23 09:49 pm UTC (link)
We have a winner!

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[info]sailorrogue
2008-04-23 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Yay! Where's my prize? :D

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-23 09:51 pm UTC (link)

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Salt
[info]baronlaw
2008-04-23 09:45 pm UTC (link)
Sedimentary

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Re: Salt
[info]maniakes
2008-04-23 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Yup, that's the one.

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[info]herufeanor
2008-04-23 10:42 pm UTC (link)
Okay, now that there are two people with the correct answer, care to fill us in on the details?

I have a feeling I'm going to kick myself when I hear the answer, but I can't think of a type of rock we regularly consume.

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-23 10:44 pm UTC (link)
It looks kinda like this:

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[info]herufeanor
2008-04-23 10:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh. I didn't actually realize that salt was considered a form of rock.

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-23 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Well, it's definitely not a plastic.

You were perhaps expecting something like this?

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[info]herufeanor
2008-04-23 11:33 pm UTC (link)
And amazingly, most of the things we eat manage to be not plastic and not rock at the same time. Even many of the non-organic nutrients we eat (like iron or potassium) aren't actually "rock".

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-23 11:41 pm UTC (link)
It comes in homogenous lumps, unlike iron or potassium which we generally eat only as trace components of organic matter. Halite is a hard, inorganic solid mineral, which makes it a rock.

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[info]herufeanor
2008-04-23 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Is a solid lump of iron considered to be a rock?

I understood that "rock" had a more specific definition then that.

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-24 12:00 am UTC (link)
From m-w.com

Main Entry: 4rock
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English rokke, from Old French dialect (Norman & Picard) roke, from Vulgar Latin *rocca
Date: 14th century
1: a large mass of stone forming a cliff, promontory, or peak
2: a concreted mass of stony material; also : broken pieces of such masses
3: consolidated or unconsolidated solid mineral matter; also : a particular mass of it
4 a: something like a rock in firmness: (1): foundation, support (2): refuge
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From m-w.com

Main Entry: 4rock
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English rokke, from Old French dialect (Norman & Picard) roke, from Vulgar Latin *rocca
Date: 14th century
1: a large mass of stone forming a cliff, promontory, or peak
2: a concreted mass of stony material; also : broken pieces of such masses
3: consolidated or unconsolidated solid mineral matter; also : a particular mass of it
4 a: something like a rock in firmness: (1): foundation, support (2): refuge <a rock of independent thought…in an ocean of parochialism — Thomas Molnar> b: something that threatens or causes disaster —often used in plural
5 a: a flavored stick candy with color running through b: rock candy 1
6slang a: gem b: diamond
7 a: a small crystallized mass of crack cocaine b: crack 9
8: the ball used in basketball

Main Entry: 1stone
Pronunciation: \ˈstōn\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English stān; akin to Old High German stein stone, Old Church Slavic stěna wall, and perhaps to Sanskrit styāyate it hardens — more at steato-
Date: before 12th century
1: a concretion of earthy or mineral matter: a (1): such a concretion of indeterminate size or shape (2): rock b: a piece of rock for a specified function: as (1): a building block (2): a paving block (3): a precious stone : gem (4): gravestone (5): grindstone (6): whetstone (7): a surface upon which a drawing, text, or design to be lithographed is drawn or transferred
2: something resembling a small stone: as a: calculus 3a b: the hard central portion of a drupaceous fruit (as a peach) c: a hard stony seed (as of a date)
3plural usually stone : any of various units of weight; especially : an official British unit equal to 14 pounds (6.3 kilograms)
4 a: curling stone b: a round playing piece used in various games (as backgammon or go)
5: a stand or table with a smooth flat top on which to impose or set type
— in stone : in or into a permanent and unchangeable state <plans are not set in stone>

Main Entry: 1min·er·al
Pronunciation: \ˈmin-rəl, ˈmi-nə-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Medieval Latin minerale, from neuter of mineralis
Date: 15th century
1: ore
2: an inorganic substance (as in the ash of calcined tissue)
3obsolete : mine
4: something neither animal nor vegetable
5 a: a solid homogeneous crystalline chemical element or compound that results from the inorganic processes of nature; broadly : any of various naturally occurring homogeneous substances (as stone, coal, salt, sulfur, sand, petroleum, water, or natural gas) obtained usually from the ground b: a synthetic substance having the chemical composition and crystalline form and properties of a naturally occurring mineral
6plural British : mineral water



By my reading, salt as a hard inorganic crystal definitely qualifies, but iron as a non-crystaline but inorganic substance may or may not qualify depending on which definition you look at.

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[info]herufeanor
2008-04-24 12:29 am UTC (link)
My point being, iron is neither rock nor plastic, nor organic in any way, and yet is a useful ingested nutrient (in very small quantities, admittedly), and it's not being a "rock" is not just because it happens to be in trace quantities inside actual organic material, but rather because iron, despite being clearly a mineral, just isn't a rock, no matter what shape it's in or how large a piece it is (though some rocks may CONTAIN iron).

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-24 12:32 am UTC (link)
And my point is that we don't sprinkle iron filing on our food. We don't even eat elemental iron at all, as far as I know. We eat organic compounds (hemoglobin and the like) that contain iron.

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[info]sailorrogue
2008-04-24 02:06 am UTC (link)
The only reason I knew the answer was because the "Good Eats" episode about salt (which I only caught a bit of) was called "Eat This Rock".

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-24 03:25 am UTC (link)
I saw it there, and I'm pretty sure I saw it somewhere else as well.

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[info]grandmoffdavid
2008-04-24 02:08 am UTC (link)
Rock isn't a scientifically exact term. Crystalline solid is a bit more precise. Still, as a mineral, it can be considered a rock.

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[info]grandmoffdavid
2008-04-24 02:15 am UTC (link)
I feel like I have to quibble with your question as any of the three answers could be correct. Since determination of which type of rock something is from the types you've listed is done by determining how the rock was formed and not what it's chemical composition is, any of the three answers could be correct.

While most salt today is obtained by evaporating sea water (thus creating a sedimentary mineral), molten sodium chloride could be cooled to produce an igneous rock, and either of those may be subjected to great pressure/heat to produce a metamorphic rock. Don't get me started on the whole, "And it's only a salt" thing too.

(Yes, this kind of thing is exactly why there's a backlash against scientists these days.)

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[info]maniakes
2008-04-24 03:25 am UTC (link)
I thought the backlash against scientists was fueled by the superhero movies finally exposing all the damage you people do.

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[info]grandmoffdavid
2008-04-24 04:24 pm UTC (link)
That and we're actively trying to kill all religion as we know it, not to mention God Himself.

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