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The violence inherent in the system - Office of Naval Contemplation

Nov. 21st, 2011

01:02 pm - The violence inherent in the system

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From:maniakes
Date:November 22nd, 2011 03:06 am (UTC)

Re: The missing piece:

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I've seen a number of videos of the earlier stages of the list in a variety of incidents. In most of these videos, only steps 1-2 or 1-3 occur. In the videos I've seen of steps 5-6 occurring, they almost always start in media res, without context of what happened before. In any given incident, given the information I have available to me, it's plausible that steps 1-4 happened off-camera and only the "good bits" were recorded and uploaded, but it's also plausible that the police unreasonably skipped significant portions of steps 1-4.

If the former is the case, it's an argument for the police to set up their own cameras and make their own record of the entire event in context (they way most police departments now do for traffic stops with their dashboard cameras). If the latter is the case, it's a sign of something seriously wrong with either the way the police procedures are written or they way some individual officers are carrying them out (or failing to carry them out).
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From:rustycoon
Date:November 22nd, 2011 03:32 am (UTC)

Re: The missing piece:

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It's also just a fact (and this is why I choose to blame departments, rather than officers) that riot/crowd management training in this country is for shit.
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